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maradydd ([personal profile] maradydd) wrote2008-02-15 09:50 pm

Don't mince words, Meredith, tell us what you really think!

Ok, so apparently the latest episode of BoingBoing TV is by the guys at monochrom, who are a bunch of Austrians, and it's described as "Web 2.0 meets Marxist economic theory".

I have not actually watched this yet, because the last monochrom puppet show I saw, at last year's CCC, was so pointless and badly executed that [livejournal.com profile] enochsmiles and I walked out less than halfway through. (Don't get me wrong, the art was good. But the story made not a lick of sense, the puppeteers had no technical skill -- most of the action involved stick-puppets bouncing up and down randomly -- and it was pretty obvious that they hadn't rehearsed beforehand, given all the missed cues.)

Maybe I'll watch it. Maybe I won't. But the juxtaposition of Austrians doing a puppet show on Marxist economic theory makes me want to put together a puppet show on Austrian School economic theory. Who wants to help? I'm thinking the world needs Lolcat Von Mises.

([livejournal.com profile] digitalusrex, [livejournal.com profile] cassandrasimplx, damn do I ever wish I were in Houston right now. And I bet [livejournal.com profile] john_j_enright and I could bang together a fun script in Shakespearean blank verse...)

[identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com 2008-02-15 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Awesome. Because I just watched the video, and OMGZ TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT.

Bunch of ungrateful whiny little bitches. They wouldn't even have intarwebz to reach an audience with if it weren't for the New Economy they trash. Or fancy Dell monitors for Xeni to stump on (nice product placement there, guys). Nor would I be able to do what I'm doing with my life -- and I work my ass off so that I can do something I love. The spirit of the New Economy which they so mercilessly trash is one of finding synchronicity and synergy between radically different problem domains, creating opportunities for expression, new useful services, and yes, by god, making money in places nobody would have thought of before. At the heart of every startup, Web 2.0 or otherwise, there's some guy (or girl) who said "Hey, $foo might be kinda cool," and someone else saying "Y'know, that's not a bad idea, let's try it!"

Earlier this evening I was walking into the city centre to get dinner, and reflecting on how my company is really the result of inspiration, idea-sharing, and encouragement from so very many different people. My customer pipeline is 100% the result of just chatting about what I'm doing -- at hacker parties, in small groups of friends, here on this blog -- and listening to what other people are doing, and someone realising "hey, these ideas are kind of like chocolate and peanut butter." From the Wikipedia article I presume they're citing -- "The general idea is that a business should focus on those areas of its operation which are critical to its success and where it has a competitive advantage." I fail to see how this is evil.

Of course, I am a classical liberal, and like Voltaire, I may disagree with what they say but will defend to the death their right to say it. Because that stance embraces my right to call them on their asshattery.

[identity profile] ilcylic.livejournal.com 2008-02-16 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Of course, I am a classical liberal, and like Voltaire, I may disagree with what they say but will defend to the death their right to say it. Because that stance embraces my right to call them on their asshattery.

Off topic, really, but I've been wondering about this principle lately. If some guy is standing on a stage, urging people to lynch me, am I ethically justified in infringing his free speech by headshotting him?

If I am ethically justified in that infringement, what if he's simply urging the crowd to bind me in chains and set me on the road gang, rather than stringing me up from a tree? Do I still have a clean go-ahead on squeezing the trigger?

[identity profile] enochsmiles.livejournal.com 2008-02-16 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
IANAL, and I'm not sure about the second, but legally the first falls under "inciting violence" as far as the US is concerned, and isn't protected by the first amendment. I suspect the similar is true as well, but I suspect the first gives you better self defense claims (imminent death vs. wrongful imprisonment).

Morally... I'll let you figure that out on your own. ;)

[identity profile] ilcylic.livejournal.com 2008-02-16 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
If I could figure it out on my own, I wouldn't be asking for help.

[identity profile] enochsmiles.livejournal.com 2008-02-16 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think I can ever really answer the hypothetical case "do I have the clean go-ahead on squeezing the trigger" for things that fall in a grey area (which I think #2 does). But the question I'd be asking myself is a) are they really just going to put me on the chain-gang, or am I actually headed for the tree? b) do I have a chance of getting out of this later, and possibly getting the bastards punished for their ill-deeds, or is this my last shot at freedom? and c) if I defend myself now, do I have a higher chance of being killed than if I try to get out of this imposed bondage later?

(That last one is pragmatic as well as moral.)

[identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com 2008-02-16 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] enochsmiles' remarks are about the finer points of US law, but your question is one of ethics. IMO, let him talk all he wants; the first person to try to lay a hand on me gets plugged.
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[personal profile] ivy 2008-02-18 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
That's about my line as well. I don't want to be the first one to escalate to violence for something that someone *said*. It's different when it's something physical. I've never seriously hit someone first for their opinion (playful silly punching doesn't count; anyone being a creep isn't someone I like enough to punch playfully), distasteful/offensive/threatening as it may be. I wouldn't throw the first punch (much less shoot) the guy with the rape/death threats. But if he touches me I'm going to flatten him.