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maradydd ([personal profile] maradydd) wrote2008-04-12 09:52 am

Six Misconceptions About Orphaned Works

My friends list today has been swept by a storm of fear, uncertainty and doubt surrounding this article by Mark Simon on Animation World Network about the issue of orphaned works. "Orphaned works" are creations likely still under copyright -- photographs, illustrations, written works, music, &c. -- for which the original creator cannot be found, and thus their copyright status cannot be determined. Orphaned works present a thorny problem in today's litigious society, because when the question of "who owns X?" can't be answered, very few people are willing to do anything with X if they fear that they'll be sued for it.

For instance, suppose that you have your parents' wedding album, and the photos in it are starting to fade. You go to a photo shop to get the pictures scanned and digitally retouched, so that you can save them on DVD to show your kids in ten years. However, the copyright on those photos belongs to the photographer, not you or your parents. The photo shop tells you that unless you can get permission from the copyright holder, they can't do anything with the photos. Do you know who your parents' wedding photographer was? Do they remember? What if the company the photographer worked for has since gone out of business, and nobody can track down the individual person who took the photos? The pictures are "orphaned works", and no one knows who owns the rights on them.

Or what if you're cleaning out your great-aunt's attic, and you find a box full of pictures of your town as it was 100 years ago? The local history museum would love to add them to its collection -- but it can't, unless you, your great-aunt, or somebody can track down the original photographer and secure his or her permission (or the photographer's estate's permission, if the photographer's dead) to donate the photos. (Copyright in the United States lasts for life of the creator plus 75 (EDIT: 70, for works created today, older works are weird, see here for details; thanks for the correction, internets) years, so chances are, even 100-year-old photos are still under copyright. Thank Disney for that one, guys.)

But Mark Simon apparently believes that enacting legislation to handle orphaned works in a way that protects people who legitimately try to find the original copyright holder, but can't, will lead to the effective invalidation of copyright on ALL UNREGISTERED ART EVERYWHERE OMGZ CALL OUT THE CAVALRY. His article, which I linked above, is miserably poorly researched, jumps to completely illogical conclusions, and, most retardedly of all, implores artists to letterbomb Congress in protest of proposed legislation which does not actually exist. Someone please tell me where this guy is getting the crack he's smoking, because I want to avoid that streetcorner and everything in a six-block radius, kthx.

So, here are six misconceptions that are making the rounds about orphaned works, and a short explanation of why each one is a misinterpretation or just a flat-out lie. I also give links to useful supporting material, and resources you can use to keep track of this issue as it evolves.

1. "There's legislation before Congress right now that will enact major changes in US copyright law regarding orphaned works! We have to act immediately!"

Actually, no, there isn't. Even the Illustrators Partnership admits this, so I don't know where Mark Simon gets this idea. There may very well be a bill introduced this legislative session, but no such bill has surfaced yet. That gives you, artists and authors, time to get familiar with the actual legislative landscape, research what might be proposed in a bill, and decide for yourself what position to take.

Back on March 13, Marybeth Peters, the Register of Copyrights, made a statement before the House Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property. It discusses orphaned works in detail, and mentions previously proposed legislation that expired when the 2006 House session closed. It was never voted on.

I advise everyone to read Ms. Peters' statement. It's long, but it's in plain English. (Okay, she does like to use big words. But it's not legalese.) If you read it, you'll see that the Copyright Office is in fact concerned about how to handle orphaned works in a way that's fair to original copyright holders. I especially recommend you read the section titled "The Proposed Solution". Read it carefully. It's pretty clear that Mark Simon didn't.

If you want to keep an eye out for upcoming legislation that might affect this issue, THOMAS is a great place to start. I'm also a big fan of GovTrack, which scrapes THOMAS and sorts bills into categories based on topic -- you can even get RSS feeds of bills related to the topics of your choice.

2. "If I want the copyright on my art to be recognised, I'll have to pay to register each piece!"

That isn't the case now, and it isn't likely to be the case even if an orphan works bill passes. In current copyright law, copyright protection exists "from the time the work is created in fixed form" -- in other words, the instant I hit "post" on the form I'm typing this blog post in, the instant you step away from the canvas, the instant you hit "save" in Photoshop, that work is "in fixed form" and protected by copyright. This applies to all literary, musical, dramatic, choreographic, pictorial, graphic, sculptural, video, audiovisual, and architectural works, as well as sound recordings.

The Copyright Office considered the idea of a registry, but shot it down (emphasis mine):
In our study of the orphan works problem, the Office reviewed various suggestions from the copyright community. These included creating a new exception in Title 17, creating a government-managed compulsory license, and instituting a ceiling on available damages. We rejected all of these proposals in part for the same reasons: we did not wish to unduly prejudice the legitimate rights of a copyright owner by depriving him of the ability to assert infringement or hinder his ability to collect an award that reflects the true value of his work.
In the same paragraph, Ms. Peters also noted that the Copyright Office finds it important for any new legislation to cover both published and unpublished works. Existing copyright law, as we saw above, covers all works from the moment of their creation.

It is already possible to register a copyright with the US Copyright Office. It is not required, but registering a copyright gives you a few advantages in the event that someone illegally copies your work. If your copyright is not registered, you may claim "actual damages and profits" -- i.e., the value of the work. (I think this also means that you can recover whatever profits the infringer made by using your work illegally, but I'm not sure about that, and I'm not a lawyer, so don't quote me on that one.) If your copyright is registered, you may also claim statutory damages (between $750 and $30,000 per work -- up to $150,000 per work if you can demonstrate that the infringment was willful, i.e., the infringer knew the work was copyrighted but used it anyway) and attorney's fees -- in other words, if you win the case, the infringer has to pay your lawyer for you. (Whee!)

But, again, there is nothing that indicates that registration will be required. Either Mark Simon read Marybeth Peters' statement wrong, or he made it up.

3. "If I don't pay to register my copyright, anyone in the entire world will be able to use it for free!"

Nope. There is nothing on the table that suggests that the US will be pulling out of the Berne Convention, which is the international treaty which governs copyright provisions between countries. Marybeth Peters certainly isn't suggesting it.

Now, Mark Simon seems to be flipping his shit over Ms. Peters' recommendation of
a framework whereby a legitimate orphan works owner who resurfaces may bring an action for “reasonable compensation” against a qualifying user. A user does not qualify for the benefits of orphan works legislation unless he first conducts a good faith, reasonably diligent (but unsuccessful) search for the copyright owner.
Perhaps he's envisioning a scenario where a user spends five minutes googling, comes up with nothing, calls that a "good faith" search and forges ahead with an infringing use. That's not going to fly before the court; the user will have to detail how he conducted the search, and if the copyright owner can demonstrate that no, actually, it is quite easy to find the work's original owner, the "good faith" provision doesn't apply. And even if the "good faith" provision does apply, the Copyright Office recommends that the user should still have to compensate the owner for a reasonable amount.

It's all there in writing, folks. This isn't that hard.

Now, the Copyright Office also proposes a "safe harbor" provision for very specific cases:
a safe-harbor for certain limited uses performed without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage. The exception would apply only where the user ceased infringement expeditiously after receiving notice of a claim for infringement.
In other words, if someone infringes your work for nonprofit purposes and you pop up and say "um, no, that's mine," they must immediately take it down. Otherwise, the safe harbor provision does not apply, and they must compensate you for their use of the work. Furthermore, if they don't immediately take it down, they're also subject to the No Electronic Theft Act, which sets out the damages I described above and also establishes criminal penalties for copyright infringement, even when no money changes hands. Nobody is suggesting that the NET Act should go away either.

The basics are, well, pretty basic. An orphaned work is a work for which no legitimate rights-holder can be found. If the legitimate rights-holder resurfaces, it is not an orphaned work any more. Plain and simple.

4. "Someone else could register the copyright on my work, and use that against me!"

Nope. Under US copyright law, only the author of a work, a person or organization that has obtained ownership of all the rights under the copyright initially belonging to the author, the owner of exclusive rights (i.e., someone to whom you have transferred copyright under a "work for hire" agreement), or the duly authorized agent of one of the above may file for copyright registration.

Again, I'm not a lawyer, so I can't speak with any authority on what happens if somebody illegally registers a work for which they don't own the copyright. An illegally registered copyright will almost certainly have its registration revoked (freeing you up to register it yourself, if you so desire). The application form also states that "any person who knowingly makes a false representation of a material fact in the application for copyright registration .... shall be fined not more than $2500." Check out Title 17 of the United States Code, section 506(e) if you want to know more.

5. "If I don't track down people who are illegally using my copyrighted works, I'm SOL!"

Honestly? This is the state of things already. As I pointed out to [livejournal.com profile] karine, the Copyright Office does not employ an elite squad of cybercops searching night and day for infringing uses of copyrighted works. They don't have that kind of money. Identifying infringing uses, sending the infringer a takedown notice, and bringing legal action if the infringer refuses to stop infringing are already your problems. They will continue to be your problems for the foreseeable future.

I've also heard some FUD claiming that if someone infringes your copyright and you don't catch them within a certain period of time, you won't have any legal recourse. I have no idea where this misconception came from, but it's also wrong. The important thing to remember here is that copyright is not trademark. Trademarks can be lost if they're not enforced, but copyright is forever (ok, life plus 70). "Well, so-and-so infringed and you didn't sue them!" is not a legitimate defense. Neither is "I've been using this for the last N years and you never said anything!" If you catch someone infringing your copyright at any point in your life, or your estate catches them at any point up to 70 years after the date of your death, you do have legal protection.

6. "Displaying my artwork anywhere means that it automatically becomes orphaned, and anyone will be able to use it!"

This is quite possibly the most ludicrous claim that's being bandied about. According to the Copyright Office, public display of a work does not even constitute publication -- you have to sell copies, or tell other people they can distribute copies, in order for the work to be considered "published". (EDIT: what I tell you three times is true, I am not a lawyer. The Copyright Office's FAQ does not opine about content displayed on the Internet, but you're probably better off disallowing redistribution anyway if this is something you're concerned about.)

Furthermore, as we've discussed above, a work need not be registered with the Copyright Office, or with a private registrar, to be covered by copyright, so if someone infringes on your work and you send them a takedown notice, the work is not orphaned. Full stop. I cannot repeat this enough times.

Copyright is automatic and does not change unless you transfer your copyright to someone else, die (in which case it's automatically transferred to your estate), or commit the work to the public domain. "Orphanedness" is a state which gets removed when the copyright holder speaks up. Even placing a work under a distribution license, such as a Creative Commons license, doesn't change the fact that you own the copyright.

Also, for those of you considering formal registration with the Copyright Office to have the option of statutory damages, here's a neat loophole you can use. Unpublished works can be registered as a collection, as many works in the collection as you want, in a single filing, for one filing fee of $35. Since merely putting your artwork up for display on the Interwebs doesn't constitute "publication", you could register "All My Artwork From The Last Ten Years" as an unpublished collection for a whole $35, and sue the pants off anyone who infringes anything in that collection. (This would also be a fun way to test whether the Copyright Office considers works displayed on the net to be unpublished. If you try this out, do let me know!)

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I hope this addresses any fears you might have about orphaned works and the sort of legislation that might come up regarding them. If you have any questions, please feel free to comment and I'll do my best to answer them. Likewise, please feel free to link this article or reproduce it in full or in part; I am placing it under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 United States license. Creative Commons License

[livejournal.com profile] kynn also has some cogent observations about orphaned works, Mark Simon, his sources, and some follow-the-money fun here.

[identity profile] ukiby-chan.livejournal.com 2008-04-21 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps he's envisioning a scenario where a user spends five minutes googling, comes up with nothing, calls that a "good faith" search and forges ahead with an infringing use.
*lol*


Ahhh... So that's what the law is all about. I see. When i first saw this, I was like "WTH????? How come people can agree with this?" but now things sound way more sensible, really.

(Anonymous) 2008-04-22 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
When people like Mark Simon stretch the truth about what is going on or what could happen, it doesn't help anyone. People just need to state the facts! How is he going to get any respect if he doesn't tell the truth in plain english?

Mark

Diligent searches proably won't be very thorough

(Anonymous) 2008-04-22 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
Your expectations that thorough searches will occur don't take into account that the purpose of this proposed law is to make it easier to use copyrighted works when the owner cannot be found. The "diligent searches" mentioned often in the Orphan proposed legislation is going to mostly be lip service. There will be some level of effort, but there is no way to ascertain exactly what that will be. The purpose of this law is to make it easier to use copyrighted works. To that extent, damages are removed from the equation. Anything that conflicts with the goal, of making it easier to use old copyrights, including "diligent searches", is a secondary concern. Educational resources and museums do not have the resources to perform expensive exhaustive searches.

By the way, try reading the full orphan report. You'll learn that this act includes unpublished works, including diaries (pg 100): "the privacy of the author might be harmed when sensitive, non-public information (such as a personal diary) is made public without the consent or control of the author. When placed in the context of the orphan works situation, however, the likelihood that such harm will result is reduced substantially. Recall that the author’s remedies would be limited only if the author cannot be found through a reasonably diligent search. Thus, with respect to the first interest of protecting the author’s professional and creative interests, so long as the author takes steps to be locatable, such as by marking copies with his name and contact information, maintaining a web site with contact information, and/or enlisting an agent or other easily located representative, a user would be able to find the author and not publish the material under the limitation on remedies for orphan works. Indeed, the fact that an author has a public reputation that he feels might be compromised by publication of unpublished material almost certainly indicates he would be locatable by prospective users." "we do not recommend excluding unpublished works from the orphan works system." you'll learn that this act includes unpublished works, including diaries (pg 100): "the privacy of the author might be harmed when sensitive, non-public information (such as a personal diary) is made public without the consent or control of the author. When placed in the context of the orphan works situation, however, the likelihood that such harm will result is reduced substantially. Recall that the author’s remedies would be limited only if the author cannot be found through a reasonably diligent search. Thus, with respect to the first interest of protecting the author’s professional and creative interests, so long as the author takes steps to be locatable, such as by marking copies with his name and contact information, maintaining a web site with contact information, and/or enlisting an agent or other easily located representative, a user would be able to find the author and not publish the material under the limitation on remedies for orphan works. Indeed, the fact that an author has a public reputation that he feels might be compromised by publication of unpublished material almost certainly indicates he would be locatable by prospective users." "we do not recommend excluding unpublished works from the orphan works system."

There is an important thing to think about when you read that your diaries are unpublished works that can be considered a copyright orphan. The copyright office thinks that it is your responsibility to ensure that you put identifying information on your diary to ensure that you can be contacted to avoid it being published.

That is the new logic behind this legislation. It is now the copyright owner's job to make sure that the owner can be found. This is removing some of the responsibility from the person who wants to use copyrighted works.

Richard Gagnon

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

(Anonymous) 2008-04-22 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
http://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=pageone&article_no=3615

I'm very grateful that you would put much time into this topic as you have, and that many people have responded and are becoming aware of this issue.....but you all NEED to get all your info in order. Don't begin to think that the Orphan works is not legit, and definetly don't try and sugar coat it either. Artists need to get informed and stand up for their creative rights...Yes, I agree its not good to go all crazy about something, but it is equally as fatal not do anything and encourage others to be laxidazy about it too. Either get informed and do something about it, or sit back and let them take your art and money.

All of you should please read this - http://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=pageone&article_no=3615

Thanks.

(Anonymous) 2008-04-23 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.illustratorspartnership.org/01_topics/article.php?searchterm=00185

FROM THE ILLUSTRATORS’ PARTNERSHIP

April 23,2008

Today the House and Senate sent us draft copies of the new Orphan Works Act of 2008. They haven’t officially released it yet, but we’ve been told the Senate will do so this week. A quick analysis confirms our worst fears and our early warnings. If these proposals are enacted into law, all the work you have ever done or will do could be orphaned and exposed to commercial infringement from the moment you create it.


You’ve probably already heard Mark Simon’s webcast interview with Brad Holland. If not, please listen to it at:
http://www.sellyourtvconceptnow.com/orphan.html. <http://www.sellyourtvconceptnow.com/orphan.html>


Then forget the spin you’ve heard from backers of this bill. This radical proposal, now pending before Congress, could cost you your past and future copyrights.


The Illustrators’ Partnership is currently working with our attorney - in concert with the other 12 groups in the American Society of Illustrators Partnership to have our voices – and yours - heard in Congress. We’ll keep you posted regarding how you can do your part.


Please forward this information to every creative person and group you know. Mr. Holland and Mr. Simon have given their permission for this audio file to be copied and transferred and replayed.


For additional information about Orphan Works developments, go to the IPA Orphan Works Resource Page for Artists
http://www.illustratorspartnership.org/01_topics/article.php?searchterm=00185


If you received our mail as a forwarded message, and wish to be added to our mailing list, email us at: illustratorspartnership@cnymail.com
Place "Add Name" in the subject line, and provide your name and the email address you want used in the message area.

[identity profile] anythingbutgrey.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
this... makes me feel a lot better.

Re: A Big Thanks!

(Anonymous) 2008-04-23 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
She is backing it up with theoretical constructs. The practical effect is no protection for artist unless they have lots of money.

1. "There is no bill" - maybe for another week or so. Advanced copies have been seen and only need to have a number attached to them before they are introduced.

2. "Copyright will still be recognized" - In name only. The effect of the legislation is to make it possible for infringers to pay a small fine. The cost of tracking them down becomes prohibitive. The practical effect is no protection. The cost of asserting and protecting rights will now be a black box, cost unknown.

3. "Copyright will still be protected by international treaty" - Again In name only. Unless registration fees are paid (unknown amount) no practical protection will be available in the US. The legislation gets around the Berne Treaty by not requiring registration. But if you don't register, there is no practical protection. The rest of the world may march to a different drummer, so my work may be safer overseas...

4. "Others can not claim my copyright" - maybe yes, maybe no. She says she is not a lawyer and claims no authority on the subject. There are lawyers who claim otherwise. If someone makes a derivative work of your unregistered image, then registers it and makes a claim against you as having the derivative work. What will happen? Will the law recognize your rights? The courtroom is a crapshoot.

5. "Artist are already at a disadvantage under current law, this will not change" - wrong, flat out. While this law mandates commercial registries, which is a good idea, it takes away the stick needed to enforce user compliance, by burdening artist with potentially onerous registration costs and time requirements, and then removing penalties for the incomplete searches that users will preform. This puts us at an even deeper disadvantage than before.

6. "Display of work will not automatically orphan works" - a red herring. If a work is taken, the identity of the author is separated from the art. Now the taker can claim they "found" it in that condition. It is therefore available to be defined as "Orphaned". Assuming they also claim they checked out a few "registeries", they now have a practical defense that will deture any lawyer from helping you with your case. There is no way to prove malice and intent. Any time you spend tracking down the offender and bringing them to justice will not be compensated in court because this new law defines the penalty to the taker's advantage.

There are real problems with each of these rebuttals offered. I would suggest those wishing to use orphaned works ask for an agreement the gets the blessing of artists, as other countries have done.

Britt Griswold

Six reasons could use some more thought.

(Anonymous) 2008-04-24 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
1. "There is no bill" - maybe for another week or so. Advanced copies have been seen and only need to have a number attached to them before they are introduced.

2. "Copyright will still be recognized" - In name only. The effect of the legislation is to make it possible for infringers to pay a small fine. The cost of tracking them down becomes prohibitive. The practical effect is no protection. The cost of asserting and protecting rights will now be a black box, cost unknown.

3. "Copyright will still be protected by international treaty" - Again In name only. Unless registration fees are paid (unknown amount) no practical protection will be available in the US. The legislation gets around the Berne Treaty by not requiring registration. But if you don't register, there is no practical protection. The rest of the world may march to a different drummer, so my work may be safer overseas...

4. "Others can not claim my copyright" - maybe yes, maybe no. She says she is not a lawyer and claims no authority on the subject. There are lawyers who claim otherwise. If someone makes a derivative work of your unregistered image, then registers it and makes a claim against you as having the derivative work. What will happen? Will the law recognize your rights? The courtroom is a crapshoot.

5. "Artist are already at a disadvantage under current law, this will not change" - wrong, flat out. While this law mandates commercial registries, which is a good idea, it takes away the stick needed to enforce user compliance, by burdening artist with potentially onerous registration costs and time requirements, and then removing penalties for the incomplete searches that users will preform. This puts us at an even deeper disadvantage than before.

6. "Display of work will not automatically orphan works" - a red herring. If a work is taken, the identity of the author is separated from the art. Now the taker can claim they "found" it in that condition. It is therefore available to be defined as "Orphaned". Assuming they also claim they checked out a few "registeries", they now have a practical defense that will deture any lawyer from helping you with your case. There is no way to prove malice and intent. Any time you spend tracking down the offender and bringing them to justice will not be compensated in court because this new law defines the penalty to the taker's advantage.

There are real problems with each of these rebuttals. I would suggest those wishing to use orphaned works ask for an agreement the gets the blessing of artists, as other countries have done.

Britt Griswold

Your right about one thing, your no lawyer.

(Anonymous) 2008-04-24 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
Neither am I but I know this, using current law as a counter argument to opponents of a proposed (say work in progress) bill that would supersede the current law is just nuts.

Orphan Works Act IS a problem

(Anonymous) 2008-04-24 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Meredith,

Please take the time to read this article by Brad Holland of the Illustrators' Partnership of America. It addresses each of your points listed here and shows why this act IS a legitimate concern for artists (though not a maniacal machination). The article is well sourced and documented.

-Houston Trueblood

http://www.illustratorspartnership.org/01_topics/article.php?searchterm=00264

THANK YOU!

(Anonymous) 2008-04-26 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
The dA community was getting out of hand with the 'orphan art works' crud, but, thanks to you, the copyright office or whatever will not be burned to the ground! Thank you. ^^ I plan to show this to a few of my friends, who will most likely spread it around, but it does help. So I hope you don't mind...I'll of course give you credit! I can't thank you enough! -hugs art- I was so scared...

http://www.asmp.org/news/spec2008/orphan_update.php

(Anonymous) 2008-04-26 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.asmp.org/news/spec2008/orphan_update.php

Image database is part of Leahy's official version of the bill

[identity profile] island7.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)

According to Senator Leahy's introduction of the bill http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/042408e.html there is indeed a section that states:

Section 3. Database of Pictorial, Graphic, and Sculptural Works. The Copyright Office must create and undertake a certification process for the establishment of electronic databases of visual works. Certain requirements for any such registry are prescribed. The Copyright Office will post a list of all certified registries on the Internet.

This should be a great concern, since it puts the responsibility on the creator of the work - one who may have to pay for this "service" and track every single image or work they create.

I also don't understand why any new works should be considered as possibly orphaned. Couldn't the bill be restricted to works over a certain age?

Re: Image database is part of Leahy's official version of the bill

[identity profile] enochsmiles.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
The problem with an age-based trigger is that firstly, some things can't be dated easily, but also that a lot of orphaned work comes from the "death" of a corporate copyright holder, and the subsequent impossibility of determining who has the authority to grant permission on the copyright. This happens far more than it should -- there's cases of studios/production companies going out of business, and the director of a film wanting to purchase rights to his work but unable to find who actually owns them after the distribution of the corporate assets.

There's also the issue of individuals dying intestate with no apparent heirs. What happens then? Do we just wait 70 years to use the work? I think most people would agree that that solution isn't ideal. (Artists really should have wills that cover this scenario, but very few people have wills, honestly.)

I do agree, though, that the responsibility for determining if a work is orphaned should be on the entity that wants to use it, and not on the artist. I haven't had a chance to read over the full bills yet, but will try to soon.

Orphan Works Bills

(Anonymous) 2008-05-01 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Copyrights are $45 not $35. If you aren't up to date on this, how can you possibly be up to date on everything else regarding copyrights.

You used as an analogy of finding pictures in the attic that are under copyright but not being able to use them because of the current copyright laws. What if it is a calendar that is using an artist's copyrighted work with the name removed and the artist is still licensing the art. Is it ok to rip the artist off and use her images simply because you cannot find the artist?

Thanks for the rationality

(Anonymous) 2008-05-01 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I just received an email about the "Orphaned Works Act", and fortunately did a search on the subject and found your article. Thanks for putting together so many references and taking the time to explain this subject so well. You have no doubt saved many people from getting egg on their faces.

Re: Orphan Works Bills

[identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
$45 by mail, $35 if you use their electronic system. Check the Copyright Office website.

The scenario you describe is neither legal, ethical, nor something that would be legitimized under the now-proposed legislation.

Still siding with Mark Simon

(Anonymous) 2008-05-03 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
I think rephrasing this stuff with a sardonic voice does not take away the facts that are still present. I'm particularly concerned with your item number 3. Sorry, but Mark Simon is still spot on with this one. It's ridiculous to think that someone can search for someone, not find that person, and then just use their artwork because they don't know who they are. I don't even know how you would begin to find someone based off of nothing with a picture and an un/signed photo. There would be no way of tracking this, and yes, people would take advantage of it.

And, as you say, when you go to get recompensated, you say you will receive a 'reasonable amount.' In case you're unaware, a 'reasonable amount' right now is whatever the person (NOT THE ARTIST) would normally pay for a piece of work. That means if someone pays $200 to have a piece of artwork in his book, and the artist would charge $5000 for his painting to be used, the judge would still side with the $200 because that's the 'reasonable amount.' This is bull.

If you need something creative for whatever project you're working on, whether personal or business related, you have to either - 1) CREATE IT YOURSELF, or, if you're not capable 2) HIRE SOMEONE ELSE, or, if you're trying to restore family photos 3) FIX THEM YOURSELF.

If you have historical photos you would like to use - HIRE A PAINTER OR AN ILLUSTRATOR TO MAKE A SCENE OUT OF IT. BE CREATIVE! The photos were never yours to begin with; it doesn't matter how you think you can use them now. If you're that passionate about telling a piece of history, put them in a place or with a society where, once the copyright protection is up, people can use them.

People who are in favor of this bill always claim 'current copyright limits creativity.' Sorry, but breaking the current copyright laws does not enhance creativity. The copyright laws we have right now are what allow us to be one of, if not 'THE,' most creative nations in the world.

I'm also concerned with number 6. As you say, "if someone infringed on your work and you send them a takedown notice..." ........ AN ARTIST SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Full stop. I cannot say this enough times. If it's not yours, DON'T USE IT. Secondly, I don't want to have to track down my pieces all over the internet. I don't want to have laws that make it easier for my work to be used by others. And thirdly, WHAT ABOUT PRINT? I can't send a takedown notice to someone who's printing my art in a book?! Do you think the court is going to support me when I say 'stop using my art?' No, they'll say, 'here's $200, now be happy and go sit back down.' Bunch of crap.

Re: Orphan Works Bills

(Anonymous) 2008-05-03 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
You're really contradicting yourself here. I can read in your article: "...the user will have to detail how he conducted the search, and if the copyright owner can demonstrate that no, actually, it is quite easy to find the work's original owner, the "good faith" provision doesn't apply. And even if the "good faith" provision does apply, the Copyright Office recommends that the user should still have to compensate the owner for a reasonable amount."

So...there you have it. Someone performs a "good faith" search, comes up with nothing, whatever the method may be, and then uses the art. It is legal to do this. How in the world can anyone know who and where every artist/photographer/etc. is? Some kind of massive list? And who will have that? Who will pay for it? What country? What organization? It's just not going to work.

And, as I've sated before, compensating the owner for a 'reasonable amount' just doesn't work. That's like borrowing a car off the street for work for the day, finding out later that it actually belongs to someone, and giving them a few bucks to legalize it, whether they're happy about it or not.

About the Illustrators Partnership

(Anonymous) 2008-05-03 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
Another thing, you mentioned that the "Illustrators Partnership" recognizes that the proposed bill supposedly 'does not harm' etc. The Illustrators Partnership just calls itself that, it really is not supported by the community of illustrators. Try calling the "Society of Illustrators' (which was founded by such legends as J.C. Lyendecker and Montgomery Flagg over 100 years ago and truly has the artists' best interests at heart) for proof - 212.838.2560; ask for either Terry Brown or Anelle Miller. They'll tell you that many, if not most, of the illustrators today hate, vehemently, the "Illustrators Partnership." I've seen some of the legends of todays illustrators just red in the face about some of the things the 'Illustrators Partnership' has done.

*boogle* back

(Anonymous) 2008-05-03 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
you're way too out of this to really understand what's going on Meredith. You need to go actually meet the people on both sides of this before you go start choosing sides. The people you're supporting are the ones who stand to make a lot of money. The people who you are saying are 'full of crack' are footing their own bill, hiring whomever they can afford as lawyers, and fighting their own way for their rights, and they have every right to protect their work however they please. Many of them have to work so hard just to keep a place for themselves in this world; having someone start sticking loopholes in ways to use their work and allowing big corporations to 'low-ball' or push down the value of collective genres, is very difficult and time-consuming for the dedicated artists to deal with. I agree with the original post here, that this is limiting true creativity and stands only to help out major corporations.

made a mistake about 'Illustrators Partnership'

(Anonymous) 2008-05-03 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, the "illustrators partnership" is supported by the illustration community. I was mistaking names for the Graphic Artists Guild, which is under constant scrutiny. If you'd like to delete these two posts so as to avoid confusion, please be me guest.

Wonderful

(Anonymous) 2008-05-05 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for your rational and researched article.

Donation of Copyrighted Work

(Anonymous) 2008-05-06 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
So where did you get the idea that you cannot donate photographs without the copyright holder's permission? If you legally own the photos, you may give them, sell them or destroy them as you please. You may not copy them or change them. (Or maybe you can change them - that really opens up a whole other can of worms.)But you can certainly donate them. If this is the level of your knowledge of copyright, then I'll get my information elsewhere.

(Anonymous) 2008-05-07 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
While the "Orphaned Works" concept isn't officially in the works yet, you have to admit its unsettling. If you really think about it, the way American legislation currently works is to refine old laws to make new loopholes.

If your mom wants to get her photos retouched and can't, due to old laws, tell her to get some freeware version of photoshop and do it herself. Learning new things like that helps prevent senility anyways.

The government isn't going to be able to tap out the kinks in such an idea, though they may pass it anyways as is often the case; I think this is where most of the fear over the matter stems from.

Mark Simon may have take a paranoid propagandistic approach to the issue, but the fact that he's successfully drawing a stir from the art community is a good thing, we should all be paying attention to the issue.

Your faith in the legal system is admirable, though entirely foolhardy in the same breath... Unless you're just yammering to prove someone else wrong and boost your own self-esteem, which seems to be the case. You don't seem to be analyzing Simon's article with a fine-tooth comb to illuminate the truth of the entire, but rather with something more akin to a steak knife.

I won't be back to read your reply, so take what wisdom, or fuel for your rage, that you want from this and internalize it.

Have a good day, and do know that your article was still informative in many regards, though you probably already know that.

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