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maradydd ([personal profile] maradydd) wrote2009-07-23 08:40 pm

Age is not a disability. Disability knows no age.

I recently learned that a disabled friend of mine, who has a connective tissue disorder and gets around with the help of various assistive devices and a service dog, has been getting hassled by neighbours who want everyone to park at one end of the street and walk home during the day when kids are playing (and have gotten a city street permit to this effect, though they're using it inappropriately -- they can't legally block residents from driving to their own homes, but they're doing it anyway.)

That alone is plenty out of line, but when my friend went to talk to her neighbours about why this wasn't going to work for her, they blew her off -- one of the reasons being "well, Mr. So-and-so is 92 and he doesn't mind."

News flash, people: being old and being disabled are not the same thing. Some old people are ridiculously healthy and spry -- my granddad was still climbing ladders to fix stuff in the garage when he was 90, and the first indication that nature wanted him to slow down was stage 4 lung cancer. (He died two months later.) Certainly there are disabilities that are more common among the elderly -- you don't see a lot of young people with Alzheimer's apart from that one poor family in Holland -- and many chronic conditions, such as polycystic kidney disease, tend to worsen over time, but being old does not mean ipso facto being disabled.

Everyone reading this will either get old or die young. Some of you will get old and never slow down; some of you will end up with osteoporosis, or arthritis, or diabetes. Perhaps the correlation between age and disability makes some people uneasy around young people who walk with canes or have motorized chairs -- perhaps it makes them think of their own inevitable mortality someday. But people who are young and disabled are disabled now, and it's inhumane to pretend that their problems don't exist.

Perhaps if we can get people to realise that disability and age aren't as causally linked as people seem to think they are, both the elderly and people like my friend won't have to put up with this kind of rudeness any more.

[identity profile] avani.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I would pay good money to see these people smacked down in court.

[identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope it doesn't come to that, but if it does, they're going down -- she's a law student. :D

[identity profile] deza.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I regularly hear "You're too young to need a cane" or "you're too young to use a chair." Funny, I didn't realize that crippling bone fusion had an age limit. *eyeroll*

[identity profile] digitalusrex.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
*applause*
i have nothing to add because your post is perfect. well, maybe i'd add that if someone my age had a physical handicap, i wouldn't blow them off by comparing them to a spry 92-year old. some 92-year olds are less decrepit than people half their age! you can't compare excellent health to a disability no matter the age. disability is disability.

some people are such cunts.

[identity profile] patrickat.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
It's generally not legal to block anyone from using a street for its intended purpose, be they a resident or not, unless it's an undedicated (private) street or a dead end road permitting no through traffic. Most streets are in a public right-of-way and it's hard to imagine the municipality would grant a permit allowing a permanent or recurring blocking of the road. Typically, that kind of permit is only granted for a one-time thing like a block party or a parade. So they city may have already acted contrary to law... and in doing so they are, in this case, also aiding this group of residents in running afoul of the Americans with Disabilities Act. This would be a really fun lawsuit, and just the hint of it coming would probably be enough to make the city rescind the permit.

[identity profile] barbarienne.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
What asshats. I hope your friend has the stones to just drive right through their barriers.

[identity profile] fuschia17.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Let us know what happens.

This is her home. It's a nice idea for the kids in principle, but only works if you can accommodate everyone.

How did they get this passed by the council when it's clear that not everyone agrees to these new conditions?
Here in Australia, the local council requires written permission from everyone - neighbours on both sides and at the back,- to have something as mundane as three dogs in a suburban house to demonstrate that they are ok with this.
I can't imagine your American city council being so different that they won't require proven active permission about something which will be permanently affecting everyone in the street. Is all I'm saying...

[identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I should hope that "I have fused vertebrae" (or, soon, "I just had knee surgery") will shut them the hell up.
Edited 2009-07-23 23:55 (UTC)

[identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
The permit isn't supposed to prevent people who actually live on the street from being able to drive there; the people who got it are abusing it terribly. If they don't back down on their own, the next step is to have Officer Friendly come round and explain to the people that if they abuse their permit, it will be taken away.

I will keep y'all posted.

[identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
This is apparently some kind of special "designated play street" permit that residential streets in my friend's city can apply for, to block off the street to outside traffic from 10am-4pm. The principle is reasonable enough, but in this case it seems like the neighbours can't be arsed to teach their kids basic survival skills, such as "get out of the road when a car's coming".

The ADA point is a good one.

[identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com 2009-07-23 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, she has been. Not through the barriers action-movie style, but she's been driving slowly around them and to her driveway. The neighbours scream at her and are saying that they're going to report her license plate to the police every time she drives past the barriers and have them mail her a ticket. Presumably if they do that she'll be able to have any tickets dismissed, since she resides legally on that street and the law specifically says that residents must be allowed to drive to their homes, but it's still a hassle and they're still being pricks.

[identity profile] briaer.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
OH YEAH lay the ADA smackdown on that shit!

[identity profile] feyandstrange.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
A crippled law student? I have a new hero. :)

[identity profile] feyandstrange.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
"And you're too smart to think that!"

I don't say it. Usually. These people at least mean well, unlike most of the people who say stupid shit to cripples.

[identity profile] feyandstrange.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
If it's the thing I think it is, it's to block "outside and thru traffic", not residents trying to drive in.

But frankly I think morons like this need an ADA lawsuit up the orifices anyway.

[identity profile] feyandstrange.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, I thought this was a post on gimp_vent for a few minutes. can I just say how happy it makes me to see a not-physically-disabled person complain about this shit sometimes? (I mean, spouse-of-cripple-people and the invisibly disabled are the most likely folks, but it still made me happy.)

[identity profile] patrickat.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
There's lawyers who specialize in this stuff, but whether one will be interested depends on how much cash they can sense in the air. I'm guessing if the properties are such that kids have no choice but to play in the street, this isn't a neighborhood where a large dollar value settlement could be won and successfully collected.

[identity profile] barbarienne.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
That's certainly the right approach. I still like the movie-style thought, though!

[identity profile] barbarienne.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm guessing if the properties are such that kids have no choice but to play in the street, this isn't a neighborhood where a large dollar value settlement could be won and successfully collected.

-->I don't know where Merry's friend is located, but that statement would be totally wrong in many major cities. I can very easily imagine the self-important, helicopter-parent, yupper-middle-class of certain brownstone neighborhoods in NYC doing exactly this sort of thing.

[identity profile] akumadaimyo.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I had some idiot road workers block off the entrance to our apartment complex a few years back when they were fixing the road. Apparently these fucking morons didn't know they couldnt do that. Seriously? How the hell do you NOT know that? It's illegal. I think our residents and the manager called the Police about this bullshit and the cops had to waste their time to tell these fucking morons that NO you can't block off the entrance to work on the road. People need to get in and out. People DO have jobs and lives you know. Derpa Derp Derp.

[identity profile] enochsmiles.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Could you use a less offensive term than "cripple", please? I know I don't appreciate it, and I doubt the mutual friend who inspired this post does either. Thanks.

[identity profile] feyandstrange.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Um. Seriously?

I use the term to refer to myself all the time, ans I'm not alone in the population in doing so. I prefer it to arguing whether "handicapped" or "disabled" or "people-first" is the preferred term this week on this corner of the Internet. I also use it to make clear when I am referring to the physically limited sector of the disabled/handicapped population. It was not intended as derogatory or offensive.

But if you're going to take offense when I use it, regardless of intent, there isn't a heck of a lot I can do about that.

(Anonymous) 2009-07-24 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, seriously. You can start by apologizing, and proceed by not applying it to me or my law-student friend again. Check the passive-aggressive "It's not my fault you don't like that I'm being offense" bullshit at the door, please.

[identity profile] feyandstrange.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I've repeatedly refused to deal with your bullying tactics, and I do so again. If your friend was offended - which I have only your word for - then I apologize to them. As for you? Considering you seem to make a habit of deliberately misreading people's words and intent in order to start fights up, and obviously enjoy doing so, I have no way of determining whether or not you're actually offended, or just stirring shit up for lulz as you've done in the past. You obviously don't give a fat damn about offending others, and yet you have the gall to demand apologies from me?

Far too late to catch that train.

[identity profile] songblaze.livejournal.com 2009-07-24 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
*blush* Aw, well, um, thanks.

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