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As promised:

The House version of the Orphan Works Act of 2008

The Senate version of the Orphan Works Act of 2008

As some readers have observed, there are slightly different provisions in the two bills, and only one or the other of them (possibly amended) can be signed into law; either the House version will pass the House and be voted on in the Senate, or the Senate version will pass the Senate and be voted on in the House, or neither version will pass its own chamber and it won't be an issue.

I intend to post a point-by-point comparison of the two bills, but it may be a while in coming. My friend Eric's death is hitting me pretty hard, and I'm not really up for doing a lot of blogging at the moment. In the meantime, Alex Curtis over at Public Knowledge has some good commentary; feel free to collect other useful links in the comments to this post, if you like.

(no subject)

Date: 2008-04-30 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starprincess035.livejournal.com
Sorry about your friend.

(no subject)

Date: 2008-04-30 02:52 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am very sorry about your friend and hope that you are able to find peace with his passing.

Thank you very much for the extensive coverage you have done on the orphan works issue! FYI, people are still referring to your older articles, claiming that there is no 2008 bill...perhaps a update/disclaimer should be added to them now that they are no longer accurate?

(no subject)

Date: 2008-04-30 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
That's a good idea; I will edit it to reflect that. Thanks for the suggestion and your good wishes.

(no subject)

Date: 2008-04-30 07:54 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you for replying and thanks for your very thorough coverage of this issue.
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Re: Better than posting on a blog

Date: 2008-05-02 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
You know what? I'm sick of you advertising on my blog, particularly if you're going to insult me, and especially at a time like this. Post your damn press releases somewhere else; any repeats of this will be deleted without comment.

Orphan Works

Date: 2008-05-08 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I agree also that you have a responsibility to update your information on the Orphan Works Bill as soon as possible.

You've had at least 2 weeks todo this.

Start what you finish please.

Re: Orphan Works

Date: 2008-05-08 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayjkay.livejournal.com
Lo anonymous blows are the worst kind... either fess up to who you are or don't post at all. [livejournal.com profile] maradydd doesn't need to do anything for anyone. The coverage of the Bill and analysis has been awesome.

(no subject)

Date: 2008-05-08 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilenth.livejournal.com

To be entirely blunt, while I do agree some people are panicking and some misunderstandings have been spread about, the bill does not seem to be nothing to worry about.

I am curious,

You are apparently neither a working artist, nor are you qualified in legal matters it seems. You have no background that I can determine that would be relevant to this issue or that would prove that you are uniquely suited to decipher this particular bill.

So I would wonder why so many proponents of the bill are touting your commentary in particular as being the one to listen to. Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical about the value of commentary by someone who appears to have no relevant experience or skills.

Furthermore the source of "good commentary" you provide is woefully under informed in some matters, one wonders if he is even aware that the reason that visual recognition software has not had universal take up yet is that it is exceedingly expensive to both buy the software and register the particular details. Artists are not paid the earth and many do not have $500+ to plunk down for a service that is still in infancy in terms of technology, and it's not entirely fool proof yet. We do not have the technology to provide near perfect tracking of visual image yet.

My take on the bills

Date: 2008-05-10 02:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
To put the bottom line up front, both bills provide too much latitude for abuse by commercial concerns by eliminating the penalties for using orphan works. Although the Copyright Register has cited a number of nonprofit uses for the bills, there is nothing in them that restricts the use of copyright orphans to nonprofits. A bill, that expands the nonprofit Fair Use of copyrighted works would support the proposed necessities for copyright orphans without the possible risk of creating a legal means of safely infringing legitimate copyrights.

Both bills represent an additional section to copyright law to cover copyright orphans. The primary purpose of both bills is to define a copyright orphan, loosely detail standards for a search of the copyright owner, and removes the remedies for copyright infringement, that copyright owners otherwise have, for use of orphaned works. All these bills do is remove some protections that copyright owners have once their works are considered copyright orphans. For anybody who has copyrighted works, these bills offer no new protections. They only remove the rights that the copyright owner has to sue for infringement.

The bills are nearly identical word for word with three exceptions.
1. The House bill requires that anybody, who wants to use a copyright orphan, must file a Notice of Use with the Copyright Register. There is nothing requiring that these notices be searchable by the public. It at least requires some effort by infringers, using copyright orphans, that documents the level of search they did prior to using the orphaned work.
2. The House version does not allow the use of images on useful articles. That would disallow T-Shirt companies to use copyright orphans.
3. The House bill does not allow images to fall under this bill until either two approved image registries exist or the year 2013 passes--whichever comes first. The Senate bill uses a year of 2011 instead. That means that images can become copyright orphans earlier in the Senate bill whether or not there are approved registries that could be used to search for copyright owners.

Should one of these bills become law, the entire scope of potential problems with copyright orphans rests entirely on the level of effort expected to be performed to search for the copyright owner. A lot of people have great faith that a true diligent search will exhaust every possible avenue to find the copyright owner. All they have to do is meet the definition of the law and the bills only provide a generalized definition. The Register of Copyrights is already on record, in their full report on the subject, that they do not want to define search criteria. I'm rather pessimistic about diligent searches truly being done for a variety of reasons:
- The purpose of these bills is to create copyright orphans. That means courts will leniently rule in favor of creating such orphans.
- The bill is ostensibly being created to benefit nonprofits. Nonprofits have neither the money nor resources to do exhaustive searches. The level of effort expected in diligent searches will be dictated by the constraints of nonprofits.
- Removing financial penalties removes the incentive to truly perform diligent searches.
- Guidelines for diligent searches will primarily be created by infringers. Few creative communities will want to develop templates for creating copyright orphans. It's against their goals to foster a creative environment. More importantly, they could be legally liable for anything that goes wrong.

Here are some ways that works can be unintentionally orphaned:
- Using different signatures online and in the real world.
- No contact info.
- Stale contact info. If old contact info is on a copyrighted work, it's potentially orphaned.

It's not enough to know who created a work. Registered copyrights, published books, and other works, where the copyright owner is known, does not prevent a work from being orphaned. A work is orphaned when an infringer "was unable to locate the owner of the infringed copyright." The more a person changes their contact information over the years, the more likely that the person will have old orphaned works.

Richard Gagnon

orphan works bill

Date: 2008-05-14 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dear Ms. Patterson:

I read your 'blog' about the orphan works bill(s) now about to cross the voting threshold in Congress. In the version I read, you had claimed that there were no bills; apparently now you have recanted. My name is Steve Missal, and I am an instructor at the Art Institute of Phoenix. I and many of my colleagues are genuinely concerned about this measure, and have also researched it to find out the particulars and consequences. Among my peers with whom I teach are two Emmy winners and a host of nationally known illustrators, designers and animators. None are intellectual flyweights. I myself have worked with Scholastic Books, Thomson Publishers etc. and am listed in numerous Who's Who, and Outstandings....in other words, none of us is a putz.
We were a bit insulted by the language you used in describing Mark Simon's reaction to the proto-bill, and in addition, felt your analysis both premature and flawed. I'd like you to understand that in the professional world, we generally don't refer to someone as 'Z', or as using crack (albeit a colloquial phrase...yes, we're not that ignorant). Frankly, to post a debunker column or blog about a subject that is crucial to the intellectual/creative community's ability to function freely demands a high level of decorum, a professional air that was acutely lacking in your piece. You allude in your bio to a linguistics degree et al...I assume you feel that your intellectual credentials trump anyone else's? I myself prefer Moonhawk Alford over a Chomskyite...or have I wandered too far from teaching life drawing and character design?
My point is obvious: your column was hubristic, insulting, and incorrect. I contacted Brad Holland for some help in this, and he sent the following information (which I will send in a second post, apparently otherwise I exceed your 4300 character limit); this is in regards the House version of the Orphan (not orphaned) Works bill (HR 5889). Please take a look and see if perhaps there is something to the anxiety surging through the creative community.

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Regards,

Steve Missal
Art Institute of Phoenix
Link | Reply | Thread


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orphan works bill addendum

Date: 2008-05-14 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
May. 14th, 2008 02:57 pm (UTC)
Missal post
This is the addendum (with Brad Holland's words) to my previous post:

There is a good deal of misinformation about this going around, but I hope we can clear up some of it.
Go to the bill you sent me and please read this section again, starting here:


SEC. 3. DATABASE OF PICTORIAL, GRAPHIC, AND SCULPTURAL WORKS.
(a) Establishment of Database-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Register of Copyrights shall undertake a
certification process for the establishment of an electronic database
to facilitate the search for pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works
that are subject to copyright protection under title 17, United States
Code.

And follow to this section:


SEC. 4. EFFECTIVE DATE.

(a) In General- With respect to works other than pictorial, graphic, and
sculptural works, the amendments made by section 2 shall apply to
infringements that commence on or after January 1, 2009.
(b) Pictorial, Graphic, and Sculptural Works- With respect to pictorial,
graphic, and sculptural works, the amendments made by section 2 shall--
(1) take effect on the earlier of--
(A) the date on which the Copyright Office certifies under section 3
at least 2 separate and independent searchable, comprehensive,
electronic databases, that allow for searches of copyrighted works
that are pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works, and are available
to the public through the Internet; or
(B) January 1, 2013; and

It’s true that neither the House nor the Senate drafts of the bill contain the word “registries.” They contain the word “databases,” a synonym.



Registry: register: an official written record of names or events or transactions wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Database: A database is a structured collection of records or data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database


Why a synonym? Because international copyright law forbids member countries to impose registries as a condition of protecting copyrights:
Berne/Article 5(2) ”The enjoyment and the exercise of these rights shall not be subject to any formality.” http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/5.html

In other words, if they used the word “registries” in the bills, it would be a red flag to other countries that the US is flirting with non-compliance with international treaties.
Congress can’t pass a law making registration mandatory because that would violate Berne/Article 5(2). And that would state explicitly to other countries that the US no longer intends to honor its international agreements.

Or to put it still another way: the bill won’t impose registration on you. They’ll simply expose your work to infringement if you don’t impose registration on yourself.
I hope this answers that question.

Now this one:

I read a column by a woman (forgot the name unfortunately) that supposedly debunks the entirety of the Orphan Works fears.


You may be referring to “Six Misconceptions About Orphan Works,” which was written before these bills came out and which we responded to at the time. Our response is archived here:

http://www.illustratorspartnership.org/01_topics/article.php?searchterm=00264


Her “column” argued that there were no orphan works bills in the works (the bills came out a few days later, as we had predicted) and she tried to “debunk” our warnings by citing current copyright law, which, of course, these bills are intended to change. It was not a well-informed article.

Thank you for following this issue and for writing to congress. Unfortunately things are moving fast there, and it’s going to take a real effort to stop them. We may be asking everyone to write again soon – this time to support an amendment limiting the application of orphan works law to orphan works.

Kind regards,

Brad Holland

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From: (Anonymous)
Section 106A, Rights of certain authors to attribution and integrity, discusses copyright owner rights to integrity including the ability to prevent the destruction of a work of "recognized stature". Subparagraph (c)(2) states [quoted in entirety]: "The modification of a work of visual art which is the result of conservation, or of the public presentation, including lighting and placement, of the work is not a destruction, distortion, mutilation, or other modification described in subsection (a)(3) unless the modification is caused by gross negligence."

Subparagraph (c)(2) basically allows the restoration of a damaged photo and recognizes that such efforts are not considered a violation of the work.

One has to be concerned when the keynote justification, used by the Register of Copyrights, for creating an orphan law, is false. Just for chuckles, I googled photo restoration services and none I looked at had any FAQs that stated they would not restore an old photo due to copyright concerns. I won't take you to task for not knowing this fact, but you may want to take a different critical perspective of these bills when the number one person in the copyright office is either lying or incompetent and cannot be trusted to accurately describe the laws that she is responsible for following and protecting.

Your blog has unfortunately lulled a lot of people into complacency such that they will not try to oppose this bill by writing to their legislators. I don't think you expected what you wrote to snowball the way it did. You've had a number of people give you different perspectives and correct some of the misconceptions that snuck into your initial blog on the subject. I'd hope that your earlier positions have been modified with the new information at your disposal, including the actual bills that have moved this from an intellectual discussion to a real one. You'll still have a different perspective than a photographer or artist that has to worry about the ease at which their works can be orphaned. This is an important subject that should not be glibly dismissed.

There truly is no reason for any copyright owner to want to see one of these bills passed into law. There are better means to protect and preserve our history without giving commercial entities wide latitude to safely infringe copyrighted materials because it is difficult to locate the copyright owner. It would be stupid for any copyright owner to willingly give up some of the legal rights they currently have for nothing in return.

Richard Gagnon

(no subject)

Date: 2008-05-18 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waywardradish.livejournal.com
I agree wholeheartedly with all of the professional artists and art instructors who have bothered to chime in on this issue here.

You are not an artist, not by any stretch of the imagination. I'm sure there are better ways of trying to prove your erudition than self-righteously denigrating the interests of professionals in fields in which you have no real experience.

RIAA definition of search diligence

Date: 2008-05-20 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has things to say about copyright orphans. This is same record industry organization diligently going after online copyright violations of their works. They have heart-tugging stories showing the need to create orphans because they cannot market old recording packages with a variety of extras such as reviews, old concert posters, and other nice fillers. They also have this quote that gets to the heart of what a "diligent search" is: "At the same time, limited consumer demand for older recordings requires that costs must be held down as much as possible. When copyright owners cannot be identified and located with a reasonable level of diligence, a producer may be faced with the choice between the risk of liability for proceeding without having obtained clearances from all parties with a potential copyright interest and not using the material at all." To the RIAA, orphan legislation will allow them to do less intensive searches to find copyright orphans without the risks of infringement penalties.
http://www.copyright.gov/orphan/comments/OW0687-RIAA.pdf

People need to pay more attention to the language of the bills regarding the lack of details for search criteria. Too many people, including yourself, have assumed searches more diligent than that which is performed today with the attendant risks of infringement lawsuits. Nobody really knows what the search requirements will be. Nobody will know until the law is passed. Then, it's too late.

Richard Gagnon

(no subject)

Date: 2008-05-23 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hallowmas.livejournal.com
I just wanted to let you know that I have linked your journal in one of my post, I hope you don't mind, but if so I can remove it.

(no subject)

Date: 2008-05-23 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
No problemo -- thanks for the mention!

I wish you were in the real world.

Date: 2008-05-28 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
See below title http://maradydd.livejournal.com/374886.html
Six Misconceptions About Orphaned Works


You do disservices to all that want important information on this future law. You hold yourself out to be the authority on the issues, yet you then say I am not an attorney, so don’t count on anything I say.

I think you are the FUD whom is seriously confused.

Before you discount me read the letter from an attorney below…whom for the record states the real issues.

Next this bill if enacted into law most likely will be unconstitutional and will be challenged by a copyright owner who has the financial resources to see it to end.

To all that read this, let me tell you I come from an experience that is real. I am in year 3 of a copyright litigation that, my legal bill now exceeds $500,000.00 USD. US copyright laws currently lack “MORAL RIGHTS”…. before any “ORPAN WORKS LAW” should be considered the copyright laws need to address at least “Mandatory Attribution” bc I don’t think that moral rights can be enforced by law.

My case involves thousands of images that were marked with my “CMI” embedded into each and every image, with metadata….client removed said data, and then licensed my images to hundreds of third parties who then licensed my images to thousands of additional third parties under their “Affiliate Marketing Programs”

So if you are an artist and are concerned with your artwork then you better be concerned with this proposed legislation, and the impacts it will have on your ability to sustain yourself.

As an aside, although I was the copyright owner, I was the defendant in this lawsuit. I was forced to incur $500,000.00 USD in legal fees to protect my copyrights. As a result I now have thousands of images being used by thousands of people whom are all using my images to make money….they have not paid one red cent for these assets…I can not pursue each and every one of them….and those that I do can claim as a defense that the work is either in public domain or an orphaned work, or that it was an innocent infringement.

How many of you readers have the kind of USD it take to protect your copyrights, even under the laws as they now stand? If the orphan works law passes as now proposed it will cost more to protect your rights both in real dollars and in your personal time, and emotions.

Propet USA v. Lloyd Shugart WD WA. Federal Court

Lloyd Shugart

Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-04 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-roc.livejournal.com
Lloyd...
I know of a similar, if not exactly the same situation. One of my pieces was owned by this sticker maker (you know, for cars). I had 'sold' it to him so it was legally his. That's not the point, but it's part of a big batch of stolen designs.

From what I heard from the store owner, this customer bought lots of different designs, then mass produced it on a CD that was sold to countless sticker shops and there was no possible way of recovery, except an out-of-court settlement.

I would guess...
The orphan works act would assist in the recovery of all of these pieces, or perhaps the act is so gosh dang confusing as heck, that I don't have the cognitive abilities to see the act as a whole, and maybe it would just make things worse for these lawsuits.

I'm not able to read the complete bill and understand it in it's entirety. I have two syndromes that cause cognitive deficiencies and short term memory loss... this means, I can't see the bill as a whole for I forget most of what I've read.

I would hope that someone in an official position would summarize the bill (saw one in govtracks, but that's not 100% official). Nothing against Meredith, I thought she did a wonderful job at summarizing it (when no summary existed). The majority of artists I talk to have disagreed with the bill, mostly due to that "good faith" search. I'm still trying to figure out if I agree or oppose this bill.

I don't know who to believe now. I just know the lawsuit regarding hundreds of stolen sticker designs wouldn't be so nasty if there was a clearer definition of what defines a piece as "Public Domain". By my understanding of current laws, if too many copies get out there, by default, it's Public Domain.

Whoever stole these designs and mass produced them, probably did so with a full understanding of the inability of recovery for the pieces, and was quick to mass produce in such a short amount of time.

I wrote a piece regarding this, because my artwork is part of that mass production, but not quite:
http://green-roc.livejournal.com/3652.html
The new owner altered my design, so it may have been the big piece of evidence, proving the owner of the pieces, or at least that one design.

From what I currently know, Orphan Works Act would have helped the sticker's rightful owner. Why? No matter how many pieces are out there... if an owner CAN be found, then it cannot be used without permission. We gotta love that! but sadly, that isn't the law... yet.

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-19 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The orphan works legislation would not provide you any protection you do not already have. All the legislation does is remove penalties for using copyrighted material that can be classified as orphans if a diligent search cannot uncover the copyright owner. This legislation is an exemption to the remedies currently available to any copyright owner. The legislation only removes the ability to collect penalties and legal fees from copyright infringers if the infringer did a good faith search to find the copyright owner. The only people getting protection, by this legislation, are copyright infringers. There is zero benefit to copyright owners. In the example you used, the orphan legislation would not have helped you and, had the copyright violator tried to find the various copyright owners, the bills would have protected the infringer from being sued. In your example this was a clear case of copyright infringement.

At best, you won't be harmed by this legislation if you want to believe that very exhaustive searches will be made to find copyright owners. You won't be helped by it, but it might not hurt you. At worst, this legislation could open wide the gates to new legal forms of copyright infringement if the standards for conducting searches aren't very stringent. Unfortunately, there are no examples being maintained by the copyright office to provide an indication of what such searches will require.

No copyright owner should want these bills. At most, they should be restricted to nonprofit use and that will drastically limit the amount of new infringements allowed by the bills while maintaining the intent of the bills to foster the use of historical material (the bills have no age limit to stop something produced today from being orphaned tomorrow).

Richard Gagnon

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-20 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-roc.livejournal.com
Thank you for your reply Richard. You reassure me of what I already am aware of, and I thank you.

The infringer in this situation is not required to make a diligent search under current law, and so penalties can be sought when a copyright owner makes a claim of infringement. If this bill were to become law, the paperwork that the infringer is required to have in order to use the work should be rejected by the government if filed correctly. The infringer would not be able to legally sell the piece in the first place as the infringer would not be able to prove the work is an orphan (unless they lie on their paperwork).

Personal opinion on what a "good faith search" is, seems to be a big factor in these arguments about this bill. My opinion of the bill is based on the whole process, not just the search. I take into consideration the registration of the work with the government and the government's process to review the paperwork to ensure that nothing was filed incorrectly. If infringement was intentional, I do not see how they could legally file paperwork, unless they forged the paperwork (well, that's where we may have a problem, cheaters lying so they can cheat). I trust the government to do a good job. Perhaps this is where the lack of faith lies. Lack of faith in the government, or the all-too-common awareness that interested parties will lie when filing paperwork.

I want the Orphan Works Act to pass. My faith and trust in the government on their process to do a "good faith search" is strong.

Until this bill is passed into law, I am struggling with ignorant people making copies of my work. Just about everyday, I search for copies of my work. I need to get rid of those unauthorized public displays as soon as I find them. The longer I wait, the more copies that could be made to a point where I could not prove I am the creator. With the Orphan Works Act, I don't have to act immediately. I just come out of nowhere, and say, "hay! That's mine, and here's my proof."

The bill, if law, would help me avoid that daily stress that I have to endure for the rest of my creative life. But no... I must remain on my toes, keeping watch for those who would remain uneducated about the laws of copyright. My creativity is hindered due to ignorance. I want this bill to pass so I can relax.

~Green

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-26 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The infringer, in your example, is violating copyright and can be sued for copyright infringement. Under current copyright law, anybody who wants to use a copyrighted work must secure rights from the copyright artist to use the work. The only exemption to that is for fair use and fair use examples are defined in the law and on the copyright office's website.

The orphan legislation removes the right to sue the infringer if a work is legally defined as orphaned. It protects people who want to use copyright orphaned works. There is nothing in this bill that helps copyright owners.

The difference between current law and the amended law, with the orphan bill, is that the infringer can use the work without the copyright owner's permission if the owner cannot be found. Under current law, it doesn't matter whether you can be found or not--nobody can use your copyrighted works without your okay. If you believe a diligent search will find you, the orphan law will neither benefit or harm you. If you think that, somewhere in the decades that you own your copyrights while you are alive, and a few decades after you're dead, that you might not be found with such a search, then it will hurt you.

This bill provides you no protection that you do not already have. It is designed for people who do not wnat to be sued when they use old copyrighted works. The people infringing your work today will have more protection from this bill than they do today. You will have no legal recourse to sue them if they meet the definition for conducting a good search. Today, you have the right to sue them no matter what kind of search they make.

There is no reason for any copyright owner to want this bill unless they intend to profit from the copyrighted works of others.

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-26 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
After considering it for quite some time, I want this bill to pass, and I have no intention of profiting from anyone's copyrights other than my own, so your last statement is patently false.

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-27 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-roc.livejournal.com
Hello again Meredeth.

I hope I am not making a mess out of this column... o.o
Uh, question...
I thought I saw a comment that said that no profits can be made from these Orphaned Works. Is this part of the Bill? Can you tell me more about it please? Thank you for all your patience.

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-27 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
I think you're thinking about the clause (which may only be in one version of the bill) that says that nonprofit organisations would not be liable for damages if a work's owner claims copyright and the organisation immediately ceases use. I don't recall having read anything in either bill stating that orphaned works could not be used in a for-profit fashion.

Consider: I can direct one of Shakespeare's plays and sell tickets, because Shakespeare's plays are in the public domain. Suppose I find a play I want to direct, and I'm not sure whether its copyright has expired or not. Under this legislation as I understand it, I would be able to sell tickets, provided I'd documented my search for the copyright holder first.

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-27 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-roc.livejournal.com
Ah. Thank you for the enlightenment. Perfect example of The Orphaned Works Act doing what it is meant for. Why waste a good play just because an owner can't be found.

Thank you, for everything on this topic. You have brought so much to this Act, and so many people to rethink their opinions, even me. I am glad we are on the same level.

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-07-01 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's not false until you give your reasons.

I made the statement from the standpoint of a copyright owner whose work can be infringed safely by these bills.

To that extent, are you for this law so that somebody, who cannot find you, through a diligent search, can safely legally use your works without securing your express permission (or that of your heirs far in the future?

Let's ignore whether or not you believe that you can always be found through a diligent search since the exact standards for those searches have only loosely been described and will differ on a case by case basis on the type of work. The question isn't whether you can be found, but whether or not, as a copyright owner, you're comfortable with a law, that allows your copyrighted works to be used by others. The resources that would be used to find the copyright owner of a recording will differ from those that ought to be used to find the owner of an old book or that of an unattributed photograph. Artists and photographers tend to be more concerned about the bills than writers because net search engines use words for searching.

The only aspect of the bill, that might be worthwhile, is that of freeing up copyright orphans for public view. To that extent, your being for the bill will probably be less as a copyright owner and more as an audience for what was lost. In everything I've read, I've yet to hear of specific examples of what lost works will be resurrected. Everybody keeps speaking in generalities.

The vast majority of "lost" works are not copyright orphans. They're not so much lost as they are not financially viable for the owner to release. The bulk of "lost" works are owned by the publisher/company that either released them nationally or by whatever company bought the rights to them. If you can think of a movie or book or song that you'd like to have available today, the odds are that some large corporation owns it and has no compelling financial reason to release it because it won't sell enough copies to make the effort worthwhile. For those works to be known, they had wide distribution to be historically noteworthy. That distribution was usually at the hands of a company with signficant resources. The orphan bills will not free up those works.

I would love to hear of what movies, books, radio shows, pulp magazines, music, or other orphaned works will become available to the public with the release of these bills. It would be nice to see examples of diligent search requirements that the Register of Copyrights will hold as standards for these bills prior to the bills being enacted. These things are only spoken of in generalities. I'd hate to see the bills become law without having more specifics in place. It would be nice to know what the public gains over the potential risks of copyrights being violated. For every specific valid use of a copyright orphan, the bills can be more specifically tailored to allow that need without being as broad as they currently are.

Richard Gagnon

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-07-01 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-roc.livejournal.com
I had a piece of my artwork lost to the public domain in an almost identical, if not exact situation to what Lloyd Shugart describes in his post somewhere above this comment.

To repost key elements of what was mentioned:
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"My case involves thousands of images that were marked with my “CMI” embedded into each and every image, with metadata….client removed said data, and then licensed my images to hundreds of third parties who then licensed my images to thousands of additional third parties under their “Affiliate Marketing Programs”

So if you are an artist and are concerned with your artwork then you better be concerned with this proposed legislation, and the impacts it will have on your ability to sustain yourself.

As an aside, although I was the copyright owner, I was the defendant in this lawsuit. I was forced to incur $500,000.00 USD in legal fees to protect my copyrights."
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Now I will explain why I am in favor of this law...
I am the artist of a piece that was part of a collection that was infringed in much the same manner. The infringing party included my artwork with many other pieces on a CD-Rom to be sold to third party retailers. the rightful owner of my art (that I wrote a statement saying that he is the owner of my artwork) told me he was settling out of court, and could not reclaim all of those pieces that rightfully belong to him, and my piece was a crucial piece of evidence to prove who is owner.

I understand that this law would make sure that the legal fees would be less, but I am considering the bigger picture... Given the requirements to use Orphaned Works, I don't predict lawsuits taking place between owner and intentionally infringing party, I see the infringing party having to prove themselves against the government for filing falsified documents of improper dilligent searches.

Yet, if you think about it, this person who sold these CD-Roms containing my artwork, they never filed paperwork with the governemnt because it isn't required by current law. If the infringing party had filed paperwork, the government's dilligent search would come up with several locations where you would find my piece on the internet... secretly hiding with a way to contact me.

If this bill were law, the government would fight the fight, and not my artwork's copyright owner. On top of that, it would be manditory that all uses would be forced to cease and decist the use of the work.

Considering all the third parties and also the customers using the design on their cars, the act of regaining complete ownership of the design(s) would be an incredible undertaking, but it would be enforced once the Orphaned Works Act is Law.

This is why I support the bill. Under current law, if too many copies get out there, a piece of art becomes public domain without recovery if not acted upon immediately.

I don't care about getting money from lawsuits. I just don't want people copying my art and taking advantage of my God-given talents.

Once this Bill is law, and with little time on my hands, I don't want to spend every day searching the web for unauthorized display or uses. I just let the laws of the Bill say that I own the rights to my work at all times, even if someone registers my work, I can still come out and get it back. I think that is an incredible miracle of a bill that, at anytime someone happens to infringe on my work (intentionally or accidentally), I can still recover it.

This Bill relieves the damaging stress that I feel daily, because then I know I can come out years later and say, "hey, this is mine, give it back" and by the Orphaned Works law they must. Until then, I am uptight as heck, worrying everyday and with every piece, "how many copies are people making without me knowing about it?"

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-27 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-roc.livejournal.com
Suing for copyright infringement is costly, and in the case of my art piece, the design was unrecoverable. The copyright owner (not me, someone I sold the design to) did not have the means to make a full recovery for the illegal copies and sales of his rightful material.

If the Orphan Works Act was in place, the infringing party would not be sued by a copyright owner over infringement, he would be facing the government for filing improper paerwork, if the infringing party went as far as to lie to the government, and the pieces would not be approved for sale to begin with, for the government would do a search of their own and find that turtle design registered to me, and connected to public contact info.

The infringing party would not face a lawsuit by the owner I sold it to, he would face the court system of the government directly (what do they call that? I forget what it is called) for lying to the government, or perhaps failing to file paperwork, whatever the case may have been, and the turtle may never have been sold in the first place.

Everyone who does not want this to pass needs to look at the bigger picture, to look at the whole process, before and after... to know that it is all covered. There can't be any legal infringement if the paperwork is not passed in the first place. the government will make sure of that, for they will be making a search of their own, and they will not have infringement on their minds, which seems what you all are worried about... Infringing parties lying on their registration papers.

My opinion overall...
Faith in the government is what this disagreement is all about, not faith in an undefined search.

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-06-27 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-roc.livejournal.com
I was distracted by multiple phone calls...

I forgot my point I wanted to make when relying to the comment about how I will not get more protection.

In a way, I see what you are saying... then one has to think if the infringing party is infringing intentionally or unintentiinally. I think it is fair to the unintentional infringer that the lawsuit costs are less.

The likelyhood of intentional infringement would be easier to win a case over in court for the reasons above... they need documents approved by the government.

Re: Lawsuit of Countless Illegal Copies

Date: 2008-07-01 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The government does not go after copyright violators. That is the responsibility of copyright owners. The orphan bills do not provide any additional copyright protection to copyright owners. They only remove the option for the copyright owner to recover legal damages if the infringer meets the standards for performing a good faith search for the copyright owner. The search requirement does not provide you protection. It provides protection only to the infringer.

With or without the orphan law, you have to take legal action to protect your work. These bills change nothing in that regard.

Richard Gagnon

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